Do you or don’t you have free will???

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Tonight’s guest Chandler Klebbs; do we have free will or not? Chandler says no!



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  1. Kenneth – you need to let him answer the first question about being a virgin geez! lol – maybe you would have found out if you hadn’t been cutting him off lol. I am disappointed to hear that woman would rather get 8 abortions than use condoms or some other genuine form of birth control…disgraceful if you ask me and I happen to be pro-choice (I have many reasons which I’d be happy discuss at another time). I would just want to be clear that being pro-choice doesn’t mean pro-abortion. it’s not the same thing. I think men nowadays would be a little more apt to listening to the vasectomy idea now (granted not all because I know men who have this ridiculous notion that they would somehow be less manly if they couldn’t produce sperm…dumb lol) given that more and more are getting them. It’s certainly an interesting idea. I also wonder if it’s easier for Chandler to say we should all stop having sex because he’s never had it. It’s frequently easier for people to not have sex then to have it and then stop having it…something about not knowing what they’re missing lol. None of that is to put down his idea or his not having sex…actually I really respect that completely. Sex can bring about a lot of issues and not just the usual STDs or pregnancies. I would like to know why he thinks as a species we should stop procreating…Lord knows there are times I wonder about us as a species but I’m not sure wiping us out is the total solution either. Anyway, interesting conversation! 🙂 Loving the guests.
    p.s. – Kylie – you are so correct! Kenneth is a gigantic dork! (or a nerd…or both lol) 🙂

    • “I also wonder if it’s easier for Chandler to say we should all stop having sex because he’s never had it. It’s frequently easier for people to not have sex then to have it and then stop having it…something about not knowing what they’re missing lol. None of that is to put down his idea or his not having sex…actually I really respect that completely. Sex can bring about a lot of issues and not just the usual STDs or pregnancies.”

      You are quite correct. If someone has never done something, then they don’t really know what they are missing. I compare it to cigarette smoking or drinking alcohol. Both of those are things I have never done because of the obvious harm they are known to cause. The easiest way to stop is to never start in the first place.

    • “I would like to know why he thinks as a species we should stop procreating…Lord knows there are times I wonder about us as a species but I’m not sure wiping us out is the total solution either.”

      I don’t hate humans but at the same time I don’t view one species as better than another. I want to see humans live in peace with nature and the other animals. It is mostly because of the fact that humans kill animals for food and/or sport and treat factory farm animals very badly. The rest of the animal kingdom would probably be better off if humans either treated them as equals or if the human race dies out. Which of those two will happen first is hard to predict.

    • Well, I don’t mind hunting for food…that isn’t any different than other carnivorous animals on this planet…that’s survival and healthier for us as those critters won’t have hormones, etc., but I see your point in terms of hunting for sport. I really think that’s disgusting myself. I really don’t understand hanging up the critter’s head or hide around a home…just seems not only like bragging but like keeping death around…so ick if you ask me. I do despise hearing all the animal cruelty stories also. These pets are relying on us to their lives so to treat them so poorly is horrible.

    • I became vegetarian after realizing that there was no difference between eating a cow or pig than there was eating a human. I now see them as conscious beings in the same way I am and see eating any of them as cannibalism.

  2. CHANDLER!!!! Post your response. I want an answer to these questions that you didn’t get to answer: What is the definition of free will? Why are you a virgin? What is this whole thing about you being anti-violence? There was so much that didn’t get answered in this episode. I demand that Chandler be brought back!!! Or at least post answers in the feed here…

    • I totally agree Callie! Totally agree 🙂

    • Thanks for your interest. I had so many things I wanted to say but didn’t get time to do it. I will try to respond you your questions. First the Free Will thing.

      Definitions and Refutations of Free Will

      There are many different ways that people define “free will”. This confusion over words is partly why the debate even continues. What I want to do is first give a small definition and refutation for those who are in a hurry.

      Quick Refutation

      The average person who has never read any philosophy about free will believes that free will is nothing more than the ability to “make choices”. By such a definition, you could try to argue that free will exists. This is not what the debate has been about. It has all been about the word “free” in “free will”. If people said they do things of their own will, then it makes sense, if they said that they do things of their free will, then they have not yet questioned what their will is “free” from.

      Are your choices free from anything outside of your control? Some examples might be your preferences, emotions, beliefs, religion, personality, education, species, gender, or sexual orientation? If your answer is no, then you are starting to understand the problem.

      Give an example of a choice that you consider “freely” willed. Does that choice have a cause? If it has a cause, that cause also has a cause which has a cause. The causes go back to before you existed. If you say that it has no cause, then you are also not the first cause. If you claim that you are the first cause of all your own choices, you believe you are a god and that your own existence did not have a cause.

      Since you did not “choose” who your parents were or when they had sex, you can’t take credit for your existence, nationality, color, gender, or species. Understanding this will eliminate the “I am better than you!” attitude that many of us have sadly picked up from others around us.

      Detailed Refutation

      free will: “The power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies” – Wordweb

      free will: “freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention” – Merriam Webster

      If someone can make a choice that is free or unconstrained of external agencies, including prior causes or divine intervention, then free will would be possible. Here are a few reasons why this is impossible.

      First, since we cannot choose our genetics or where we are born and what parents we get, it is silly to say that we are free of the influence of these things. Our gender, along with all other attributes that describe our bodies will obviously have some effect on how we are viewed by other humans and what jobs we can work.

      Second, all the things that we are taught by our parents, or teachers in school or the religion we grew up in will in some way effect our beliefs about things. Whether we like it or not, these things are chosen for us and we have no choice and no voice other than allowed by those who teach us and reward or punish us.

      Third, pleasure and pain that come from things we do or that are done to us by something else are out of our control. I did not choose which foods taste good or bad to me. The pain that comes from hunger or being cut or burned are out of my control and I will avoid these things if I have the physical power.

      These influences on our thinking that motivate our actions cannot be denied or ignored forever. If you agree or disagree with my refutation of free will and send me an email or comment on something, then you demonstrate that my act of writing this has caused some type of emotion in you. I hope it is a good one, but your response is out of my control and yours as well.

      You may wonder what caused me to write this refutation. There are many causes of it. First, I cannot get any response out of most Christians other than “free will” whenever the problem of evil comes up. Second, the concept is easy enough for me to understand and explain. Third, the free will belief causes us to blame others for things that they had no choice but to do.

      But I would say that most of all, the subject of human will and all the relevance it has in the debate about abortion is what made be feel I had no choice. I wanted to tear down this false belief. As it turns out, that is the entire point. When we make a choice, we always choose the option that we want if we are able. Since we don’t choose our own desires, we can never have a free will. It is not the “will” that is in question but rather the “free” part of “free will” that makes it impossible.

    • When I say I am anti-violence, I mean generally that I am against anything that could cause pain. For this reason I am naturally against war, abortion, boxing, hunting, etc. I aim to live as a complete vegan somehow because I consider non-human animals just as important as humans and have every reason to believe they experience pain just as much as we do.

      Because of my views on this, I generally am against taking risks that I know could harm someone or something. I think sex is such a risk. There is nothing I am aware of that would make it worth the risk of the mother being in terrible pain giving birth to a child or dying in some kind of rare case. Aside from that, I also hate abortion because it is killing of a child.

      Because of this bizarre paradox, it seems that SOMETHING really bad could happen if I ever did have sex with a woman. I can’t predict which but I know this world already has enough suffering and I don’t want to add to it. Those are reasons enough I believe but there is also the risk of sexually transmitted diseases. That is yet another reason I have come to see sex as unsanitary and unsafe.

    • Concerning free will: I would, as a Christian consider the choice to love someone the “free” part. There is no obligation or predetermine mg factor to love… Well, there may be a small amount when it comes to family but as far as marriage or love for God, that is a free choice. Just because you desire someone does not mean you love them. There is a difference between sexual desire and the choice to love. Loving someone takes the hard road. That is not usually the easy or predetermined choice.

      So glad you got on and answered so well. I’m fascinated by your theories and admire you greatly for your honest attempts at keeping to your philosophy.

  3. I got the feeling that people were far more interested in seeing my reactions to their sex related questions than they were in understanding what Free Will is and why I say it is an illusion. However, I did have a great time talking to them!

  4. I had a premonition to look for Culture Monk. I had not thought about him in many months. So much fun to see Chandler here. He is a very smart man. I do not know where my intuitive thoughts come from or why other people say they have none. I use it as any other sense I have. I observe it and then I may or may not follow that thought. I usually do because I am a very curious person. I seldom think it is some imperative that I must follow. I never think that if I don’t that major life events will be harmful. Thank you for the interesting read.

    • “I do not know where my intuitive thoughts come from or why other people say they have none. I use it as any other sense I have. I observe it and then I may or may not follow that thought. I usually do because I am a very curious person.”

      I think that all the thoughts people label as intuitive must be based on their prior observations of the world around them. This would explain why what is intuitive to one person may not be to someone else.

  5. My conclusion to your question: no. yes.

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